The Case for Fred 62

Josh Kamensky, Dave Goldberg, and Jon Zerolnick

[Josh's Comments] [Dave's Response] [Jon's Response]

Josh's Comments

Corner of Vermont and Franklin, Los Angeles

Over malteds, Dave and I argued about this one. "It's simply not a diner, " decided Dave. I demurred, and shifted the topic to the Doppler effect, avoiding a tussle. But why wouldn't Fred 62 be a diner? It's open 24 hours, less a moment or two in the early hours when they close the doors and wash the pot; the coffee is cheaper than anywhere in town, at sixty-two cents (surely not a riposte to KRS-1, asking some years ago, "what can I get for sixty-three cents?"); the staff wears dapper blue uniforms and the walls have strange art.

A peek at Fred's history and uncanny (but all too familiar) cultural position merits a glance. L.A. restauranteur Fred Eric took over the moribund site from an old diner that shut its doors and dropped its name in the rusty deposit box that keeps most of L.A.'s erased histories far from sight. Fred then reopened the restaurant a little bit glitzier, a little bit more vinyled, with staff a little bit more inclined to fuck up their hair, in what was quickly becoming (in the words of culture-crank Tom Frank) "ground zero of hip", a little strip in between Hollywood and Franklin on Vermont Avenue, just down the hill from the Griffith Observatory.

The restaurant was everything it was supposed to be *and more*; and it is the supplement of elevated dinerdom, of retro kitsch, that gave Dave the burr in his pantyhose over his perfectly tasty tin cup of banana ice cream. Fred's is the theme restaurant of the millenial diner craze. It's the diner that many readers of this page carry with them when they go a diner-hopping; a whiff of nostalgia, a sense that every diner entered is a lost world recaptured, that diners are anachronisms. Even if "lost world" overstates the case, ask yourself: why are diners different? Or cheesy? Or fun? If it's the first you've thought of it -- if you've never pondered, at some level, the distinction between a diner and a T.G.I.Friday's, then leave it all alone: I'm ranting. But I think few find diners anything but peculiarly familiar, as if we have experienced the diner before we set foot in it. That's the magic of this page: it's a field guide to an experience that can be endlessly duplicated, and can be comtemplated in the moment before thought. So that's why Fred's is a diner, only slightly more or less than any other diner is really a diner.

That said, a word on the grub. The coffee is a thrifty buy as mentioned before; it comes with an up-all-night r efill policy and a faint taste of dishwasher soap. The food is universally tasty (this may in fact disqualify it more than its crime of self-knowing: the adage "don't order the swordfish" just doesn't apply). Favorites are the waffle, of an exceptionally nutty batter; matzoh brie; a variety of japanese noodle dishes; " Bearded Mr. Frenchy" corn flakes on French toast; and the occasional casserole s pecial of Mac'n'cheese. Shakes and malteds can be had in a to-go cup, and a toaster sits in every booth. The art is a bit too clever; although the usual suspects of vague, woodsy landsc apes dot the walls, they have lines of 3-D text running through them: "ATTENTION 20TH CENTURY SHOPPERS", "EVERYBODY BETTER THAN ME", etc. The bathrooms are sparkly and have better art than the restaurant. There are differences, to be sure. But Fred has the coffee and the hours; is deliberate dinerhood a capital offense? Dave, rebut.

Dave's Response

Dave: They try too hard. The whole thing reeks of effort, man.

Jon's Response

While I cannot fault Dave for letting Josh ramble on in his silliness, I feel compelled to take his challenge a bit more serious= ly. And as any true diner aficionado knows, Mr. Kamensky is, as usual, full of shit. His self-indulgent tripe, however, can pleasantly be read as a wonderful metaphor for the combination atmosphere/food of Fred 62.

First things first. Fred's is most definitely not a diner. Diners can be straight-up or they can be kitchy, but it's all about intentionality, baby. In either case, a diner must have (and is defined by) a degree of sincerity. To be a diner, a restaurant needs more than coffee and late hours (the snack bar at the all-night laundorama may well b e a fun place, but is it a diner?); it has to be at least a little earnes t in approaching its dinerly responsibilities. Of course, plenty of diners are tongue-in-cheek, plenty are weirdly-themed, but even the most god-awful kitchy ones ("we have more Barbies and Pez Dispensers on our walls than you do") still behave like diners. They're diners, they know they're diners, and, by god, they believe in it. Fred's , on the other hand, delights in being the un-diner. And I'm sorry Jos h, but defining yourself in opposition to something does not ipso facto put you into that very group.

Were Plato to submit to this webpage (which he clearly would), he would talk about the form of the diner, the diner-ideal. It is from this single ideal held above and behind our heads with some sort of no-doubt fluorescent light source casting shadows of it for us to see in front of us that we see the many flavors of diners spread out before us. Yet Fred's does not share in this ideal. The same form of which Fred's is a second-order representation also gives rise to the likes of, well, the city in which Fred's is located.

Not that not-being-a-diner (or, more accurately, being-a-not-diner) is inherently a bad thing. It's just not a diner, damnit. But I've been to some pretty good places that aren't diners. Some of the best coffee and fries I've ever had has been in places other-than-diners. I'm sure that Fred 62 has plenty of redeeming qualities; any discussion of it belongs somewhere other than this page, however.

Moving on to an actual assessment of Fred's quality. Now, let's assume just for a second that Fred's were a diner. Is it even remotely worth going to? In a word, no. I lied a moment ago re: redeeming qualities. It has none. While the ultra-hip music is pretty interesting, does it really need to be blasting at 4 a.m. in a space so small that if you're the only people in the joint you have to shout across the table? While a little attitude on the part of any wait staff is unquestionably a good thing, Fred's seems to get their 'trons on their (the 'trons') way out of the body-piercing place; one can only assume that they're still in intense pain while working.

And the food. Any regular diner patron should be able to order without even looking at a menu. That's why you go to a diner, for those times at 3 a.m. when you just need a feta-spinach omelet with a side of mashed potatoes. There are just certain standard things that any self-respecting diner must offer. But Fred's is one of those places that has hip, bourgie food. Which is usually a treat, unless that's all they have. Potato pancakes but no fries. Ah. Tofu scramble but no cheese omelet. Interesting. You know, I could even deal with this if the food were anything other than dreadfully average. If it weren't absurdly overpriced. If it were somewhere other than Fred fucking 62.

You're in Los Feliz in Los Angeles and want a late night snack? Don't let them talk you into Fred's. You do have a choice. A mere one mile away is the Astro Family Restaurant on Rowena, open all night. I respectfully suggest that Mr. Kamensky check out a real diner.